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Friends, welcome back to Honest Christian Conversations.
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I'm your host, anna Murby.
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My guest, kathy Clover Garland, is a very sweet Southern woman.
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That alone is one reason to love her, but another one is because of her deep love and connection with Christ and the Bible, and how simply she puts it so that we can understand as well.
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Because I don't know about you, but I want to have a deep relationship with God and I'm always looking for new ways to encounter God, ways to understand who he is and to feel His presence around me.
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I don't necessarily want to have that mountaintop experience all the time, or that one you get when you go to camp and that high that you have.
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You're not going to have that all the time, but you can have a deep connection with God and all you have to do is keep him in the center of your life.
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And the way she talks about this is contagious and makes you want to have it too.
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She reminds us of the simple ways that we can encounter God All together.
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This is a wonderful conversation that you are going to enjoy so much.
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Let's get into this awesome episode with Kathy Before the episode starts.
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Kathy, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
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I'm very excited to have you on.
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I heard you a long time ago.
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You were on Johnny T's podcast, refuge Freedom Stories, and your story really resonated with me a lot and encouraged me, so I had to have you on the podcast.
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I'm sorry that it took so long to get you on.
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It was a while ago, but I had not forgotten you.
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And yeah, I just I want to pick your brain about your book, which unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to read.
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But I am looking forward to it.
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It's one of mine that I plan on reading, but I want to talk about your book and I want to know how you managed to have a revelationship, which is the name of your book.
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How did you come to have a solid, deep relationship with God?
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Because this is a thing that I know a lot of Christians want to have and it's not easy to attain, especially depending on what season of life you're in.
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You know, having little kids I've got all different seasons.
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I've got teenagers, adults, and I've got it all.
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I've got little kids.
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So it's hard for a mom to find time to make a deep relationship with God.
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So tell us how you realized that you needed a deeper relationship.
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I know you've been involved in church forever.
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Your father is a pastor, and how did being raised like that bring you into who you are today?
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Yes, you're right, being a mom makes it harder.
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You're certainly going to have devotions are going to look very different.
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They may be eating a granola bar, saying help me, jesus, as you run your bloody nose child to the ER because it's got the Lego up it.
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Oh no, I mean.
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You know, we have to be real about life.
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I mean, sometimes devotions is not morning devotions.
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It doesn't look like the leisurely, quiet time that I had before I had children and a husband, you know.
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So, yes, it changes different seasons.
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I think something one of the pastor's wives that is also an aunt of mine she told me a long time ago was that if you keep Christ at the center, so not to prioritize 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
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Men can do that, but in a day for a woman those priorities are all jumbled and a mess.
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And are you kidding me?
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I'll be lucky if I check off two of those priorities, right.
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Yeah, I'm a to-do list person, so I get that yeah.
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I get that too, but I also don't want to lay in bed at night consumed with the fact that I didn't spend enough time with my child, right?
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So that happens to women too.
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So there's this thing that we have to do.
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So we have to be gracious with ourselves.
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And she told me put God as the center, not one, two, three.
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Not God is the top, god is the center.
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That's a very different thing.
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God at the center and then all the different roles are sort of the spokes of a wheel and as you're rolling along in different seasons, one or more of those spokes are going to be under pressure and that you have to roll with that, literally roll with that, and that's okay.
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We call that a season.
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But there's this thing in Christians, particularly, where we think we have to be all things to all people, using Paul's scripture, but using it wrong, and so we think that means that we've got to balance these plates, spinning plates and balance.
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Balance these plates, spinning plates and balance achieve some kind of Hindu utopian balance.
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It's not even in the Bible, it's an unbiblical concept, whereas seasons and knowing that you're in a different season, and being gracious and faithful to yourself which means for me eating right.
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When I'm chopping up strawberries for my kid, I got to eat them myself right.
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So those kinds of things.
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She kind of really helped me make sure that I wasn't just a priority person, because in corporate world you can be, but then all the rest of your life gets thrown into like one spot on your to-do list.
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That's not going to work.
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Growing up in the church, as you said, I always had a close relationship with Christ.
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I knew salvation and understood it in varying degrees as I grew up.
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When I was 13, I saw a lot of hypocrisy because the business world had moved into the church and things switched from the Jesus movement.
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We were from that sort of flow, the Jesus movement flow.
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We shared everything and we were living in each other's houses and eating together all the time and asking each other what is God doing in your life?
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It switched to a very business mentality and because of that I saw a lot of hypocrisy and I saw things that discouraged me and I told my parents you know I don't think this is for me, something's not right here and my dad, who is both a pastor and what we would call an ordained teacher, so we do believe in the Bible.
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And so, as a teacher, he said all right, here's what we're going to do.
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We're going to go to the library and check out books on all the religions and we'll study them.
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And I was homeschooled, so that was easy and we did.
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And by the end of my 13th year I was convinced that Christ was real, he was who he said he was and he wanted a relationship with me.
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So that was the basis for what came next.
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And then, over the years, I did feel like I had sort of stopped at a wall and that people were pretending that they were moving beyond this wall and I didn't understand what it was Like.
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We would go away to camp and we would experience the power of the Holy Spirit and we would repent and we would, you know, just have these kumbaya moments with God.
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And they were real, I'm not discounting them.
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But then we would come back and the world would just take it out of us.
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You know, it was just like a skiv, you know, and it just leaked out of you and I was like, how do you keep the power of God alive?
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And so that for me, was absolute surrender.
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It was like I was a lamp walking around with a plug trying to plug in, and the plug really was surrendering absolutely All that.
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I am, all that.
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I'm not good, bad, the ugly and everything I ever hoped to be.
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I surrender to the Lord absolutely.
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And that gave me the power to explore, sort of a framework to explore.
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What is it that he's saying?
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And then, as I told our friend Johnny T, one of the main things that happened for me to make the Bible come alive, because I've read it so many times, I mean I had certificates on my wall for reading the Bible.
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I think so many times like I had them.
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And many times I mean I had certificates on my wall for reading the Bible, I think so many times Like I had them.
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And it was the Old Testament which is dry and so much blood, and like how many cows have to die for these people, and so I'm really dreading reading this Old Testament yet again.
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And he said look for me, look for me revealing myself.
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And so I began to look for the God who, which is actually the title of my next book, and then how God says things like I am the God who sees you, I am the God who rescues you, I am the God who makes myself available to you.
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You know all these different things that he says and I started to find them, particularly in Genesis, and it just made it come alive.
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Your parents.
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Giving you the opportunity to search through different religions is definitely not something that every child has, especially Christian children, because their parents just kind of get on.
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I don't want them to learn about other religions.
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What if they choose that one?
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Well, that's a big what if?
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And that's their decision.
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But if you just keep them locked into one thing, what makes you think they aren't going to go searching for that later if they're having the same kind of feelings you were having?
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So I think that was a very wise decision that your parents were able to do that for you and go through it with you.
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I mean, I'm right now.
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I'm still learning about different languages.
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I didn't learn about all that stuff.
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I went to a Christian school but I don't remember them talking too much in depth about other religions to a point where I was thinking maybe I would rather do this one.
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Not that I ever went that way, because I was the good girl who did everything she was told to and live the way I was told to because I was told to.
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So there was that.
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But for you to have that hunger and that desire at such a young teenage year and realizing that I want to plug in and I want to stay plugged in in and I want to stay plugged in.
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I don't want it to just be a one and done.
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Or the camp thing is a very good example, because I used to go to youth camp too.
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You get the high, you're feeling it, you come home, maybe it sticks for a couple days and then life sets in.
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And it's the same with the newlywed phase.
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It's like you're there, you're in love and then all of a sudden you want to throw something at them and you're like, when did it end?
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And it's the same thing.
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So, yeah, that's awesome that you were able to do that.
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Definitely going to have to read your next book too, because that's a brilliant way to read the Old Testament Because, as you said, it's very dry, it's very difficult, no-transcript, but it is hard to read If you're not putting God first.
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And I like how you said you were reading to see who God was, what he does and focusing on him, because that's what the Bible is supposed to be about is God?
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Yeah, and my children.
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I'm doing the same thing Now.
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I have a son who is nine and a daughter who is seven, and so we're talking about things that I think adults struggle even now to talk about.
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Like you mentioned, I think, with your podcast with Johnny T about Sodom and Gomorrah.
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I've already had that conversation with them on several occasions.
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That, and you know, Nineveh and kind of the conversation that, whenever I come to a scripture verse or a story that reveals something about God, I do have a framework for that.
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It's not just like willy-nilly, I have a framework.
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The framework starts with God is holy, because that's what he says he is and God is good.
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So whatever happens in this story, I know it's going to reveal that God is both holy and good.
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So you know, when I read something like Sodom and Gomorrah and the negotiation between God and Abraham, or when somebody says, well, you know, God changes his mind because he changed his mind with Abraham, I'm like nope, nope, that's not how it worked.
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He didn't change his mind, he still destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
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And, technically, if you're a full out theologian and you know that God is omnipresent and he exists in an eternal now, that he has no past and no future.
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He only has an eternal now.
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He actually already destroyed it when he was talking to Abraham, because he does everything in his eternal now.
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He is still present, laying the foundations of the earth.
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He's still present knitting you and I and our mother's wounds.
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He is still present in the future where he has full victory and technically we're with him, but we just haven't experienced it yet as far as he's concerned.
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There is only now.
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And so that whole negotiation.
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There was a reason he allowed Abraham to negotiate.
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What was it?
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He said I'm doing this so that Abraham's descendants can know what is holy and righteous and good.
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He said that's why he's doing it.
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And so you know, if you read the Bible with those foundational understandings God is holy, God is good then it's going to reveal an aspect of his character that is holy and good.
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Mind-blowing content.
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Ladies and gentlemen, mind-blowing content.
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I love it, mind-blowing content.
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I am soaking up so much new information about who God is and who I thought he was and what he actually is, and realizing some things from what I once believed, and even years ago, a couple years ago, things I believe that I no longer believe.
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God is always showing me new things, revelations, and I love it and I'm here for it.
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I wasn't always open to seeing new ideas and understanding and reading the Bible in a fresh, new way.
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I was very close-minded.
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Very well, this is how I was raised.
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This is what I was told.
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I'm not going to question it.
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You can't question God.
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You can't question that.
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My parents told me this.
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My church told me that I have to believe it.
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If I don't believe it, what's going to happen?
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That's just how I was very doom and gloom.
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If I don't believe this, if this isn't true the way I think it is, then what is true?
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What is?
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And then you start freaking out and you're like, oh no, maybe it's wrong, and then you don't know what to do with that.
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So that was me.
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Well, it's probably part of your God-given personality is probably stability and those kinds of things, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.
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I tend to be more of a maverick.
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I tend to be more of the one who throws the bomb in the conference meeting.
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So it comes out a little differently, Don't?
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I'm not afraid to confront different people, especially if I think it's true, or stop people in their tracks if they're saying something to me or over me, or over my children or something like that.
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So there's a boldness that can come from that.
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But I think what you're talking about and what I'm talking about is who we are in Christ, because we're talking about who God is revealing himself to be.
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But the key part of that is also what it says about me.
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So practicality, this is for your listeners.
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This is not more of the deep theology, which I love, but we could go there anytime.
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But he says I look up, I see what God is.
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Then I look down and I see who I am because of who he is.
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And then I look around and I see what I'm supposed to be doing in order to participate in who God is and what he's doing.
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What he's doing and who he is can never be separated.
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So if I look up and I see that God is the God who sees injustice, like Hagar and sees me, she said Elroy, you're the God who sees me Then I look down, I am seen.
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Even when injustice happens to me, I am seen by God.
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That makes me very valuable to him.
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I am seen.
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Being seen today is this big deal because most people are not seen and partly because of COVID and the isolation and all this sort of thing.
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But if I look up, god is the God who sees me.
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I am seen.
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Now I need to go around and I need to do the same thing to other people so I can participate.
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That's the practical outworking of why he reveals himself.
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One he wants relationship.
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Two he wants you to know who you are.
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Three he wants you to get involved.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, yeah, he wants relationship.
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Two he wants you to know who you are.
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Three he wants you to get involved.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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We're supposed to be the hands and feet of Jesus.
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We are supposed to see other people see the needs there and meet those according to to do.
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What drove you to write your book Revelationship which is a very clever title, by the way?
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Thank you.
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It's not as clever as you think, because Amazon changed it from Revelationship to Relationship.
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So if your listeners actually look for the book on Amazon, if you type in revelationship, it will change it to relationship, which is annoying.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is Revelationship Kathy Garland or Randy Culver you'll find it.
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So anyway, why did we write the book?
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Dad and I wrote the book because two reasons.
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One, I was writing the God who and it's taken me 10 years to get through Genesis.
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That's what's going to be in the book the God who.
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10 years of all the revelations of who God is in Genesis just Genesis, which is enormous amount.
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There's more revelations in Genesis than the rest of the Bible put together.
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It's probably because he was trying to introduce himself.
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He's like this is who I am, you know, just in case you didn't know Anyway.
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So I was writing that and I was sharing it with his interns and my dad was like this is good, but a lot of people do not have a framework for experiencing God's revelation.
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And it is true like maybe you learn to experience God through worship at your church if you're a sensate, or maybe reading the Bible.
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Those two are kind of the key.
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Maybe community, if that's sort of your love, language or acts of service.
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You know, experiencing God through those things are certainly sacred pathways, as we call them in the church history, but not really anything beyond that.
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So a lot of people are afraid to experience God in nature, which is outlandish but it's real, mostly, I think, because Wiccanism became very popular when I was younger, and, of course, paganism.
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And you know, if you go outside and you're experiencing God in nature, are you really experiencing God or maybe are you experiencing paganism?
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You know there's that sort of mission, but the Bible says that creation declares loudly who God is.
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And so getting out there in the silence and the quiet, putting your feet on the grass, listening to his birds, listening to just the stillness of things, a lot of people like city girls, like me I grew up in Atlanta, I'm a city girl.
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My nighttime crickets is airplanes going ahead Like people, my husband-.
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I was from Sacramento, California.
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Okay, so you understand.
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Yes, the sound of the air brakes of semi trucks puts me to sleep.
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My husband he's more of a country boy.
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He grew up in Tennessee and Augusta and so he likes the quieter.
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I have had to learn to appreciate quiet.
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It's a discipline that I did not have and I had to acquire it.
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In order to hear God's voice, I have to silence all the other voices that are coming 24-7, from the Internet, from TV, from the radio, from music, from my parents, my mom's voice in my head, my dad's voice in my head, even the church.
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I mean 24-7, we have voices going into our ears, and is it any wonder people can't discern the voice of God?
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They have a deluge of voices to listen to.
