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Friends, welcome to Honest Christian Conversations.
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I'm Anna Murby.
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When I say the word COVID, what goes through your mind?
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Are you rolling your eyes right now?
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Are your conspiracy theory feelers out there already?
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Are you just numb to it?
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Are you tired of it?
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I mean, I could say that I'm in that camp of I'm just over it.
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It's been talked about so much, it's been critiqued.
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All these different things have happened when it comes to COVID, but today's guest has a different perspective on the whole situation of what happened during COVID.
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His wife went through a very, very dark season during COVID.
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Him and his family were completely changed during this time.
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She got really, really sick and it was looking like there was no hope.
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But through Jesus Christ, jamel Powell, my guest, was able to find hope, being a new father with a newborn that he had to raise himself while his wife was sick.
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His story is profound, it is powerful, it is full of God's glory and his mercy, and Jamel is just full of hope and faith in God.
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I was encouraged when I listened to his audio book.
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Anyone out there who lost somebody during COVID or who went through such a dark time during COVID you have to listen to his book If you have turned on God because of situations that happened during COVID, you have to read his book.
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Everyone just has to read his book.
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It was a powerful book.
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It is not that long either, so it is only about an hour and a half of your day, but this is his life that he compacted into that hour and a half.
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I can't even imagine everything he went through.
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It's a powerful story that you are not going to want to miss.
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So you are really going to enjoy this episode.
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It is going to encourage and give you hope.
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Going to enjoy this episode.
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It is going to encourage and give you hope, renewed hope, if you have lost your hope and faith in God.
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Thank you, jamel, for writing this book and being vulnerable and sharing your heart with all of us.
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Let's get to it Before the episode starts.
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Make sure you follow the show so you never miss another episode.
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Jamel, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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I am so excited to talk to you.
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I listened to your book.
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It was amazing An audio book gripping.
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I loved the music that you put in the song that you and your wife sang at your wedding.
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I want to have that on my Apple Music.
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I don't know if it's available, but I do.
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It's a beautiful love song and it reminded me of one of my friend's wedding because she married a Christian DJ and he created a song for her for their wedding that he surprised her with, and that was a beautiful song that is in my playlist.
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So I need your song in there too, because you had mentioned in the beginning how beautiful your wife's singing voice was and I was intrigued just with that.
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I wanted to know because it sounded like it was probably really good, and then I heard you guys singing your voices together was beautiful.
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Her voice is absolutely enchanting.
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I can see why you fell for her.
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Yeah, your whole story is just wow that's all I can say is wow, your heart for God through everything that you went through during COVID and I just I can't imagine what you're still going through, because I know your journey is not over, but I am so thankful to have you on this podcast that we can discuss this from your perspective as a man, a new father taking care of your child alone, because your wife was in the hospital and you didn't even know if she was going to make it.
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You were a perfect guest to have on during my tribute to masculinity.
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So I knew I was like, yes, this is going to be an amazing powerhouse episode.
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So I'm done fawning, I'm going to let you talk.
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Please share with us what happened in your life to bring you to Jesus, first of all as a believer.
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Your also.
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I got to thank you for taking your time to listen to the audio book.
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That's a blessing to me as well.
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I always wanted it to be able to get listened to and touch the listeners and that's success to me With my testimony.
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I'm born and raised in Detroit, michigan, from the west side of Detroit.
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Basically I was a product of my environment.
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I grew up in the neighborhood where we had people that sold drugs, a lot of crime, violence, so I was raised in that type of environment and, of course, being raised in that type of environment, I got into some of the things involved in the environment because we didn't have a basketball player in front of us in the neighborhood, we didn't have a successful businessman, we only had the guys that was in front of us.
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So we aspired to be like those guys.
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So a lot of me and my friends we got off into trying to trying to hustle and sell weed and some people saw other type of drugs.
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It's just us.
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We all were just lost, myself included.
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Yeah.
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But at the age of 19, that's when I really was going hard after that lifestyle.
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But I realized at age of 19 that that's not the life that I wanted to live.
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It's a lot of friction, a lot of paranoia, a lot of bad things happen in that lifestyle, like robberies, and just a lot of bad things happen.
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And I got caught in a bad situation where I had some issues with some guys that was older than me and I actually feared for my life.
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I ended up going on the run just trying to avoid trouble.
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But while I was on the run, the only thing I took with me was a Bible and I used to just sit and read Proverbs all the time, and all I remember is it used to.
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It was a lot of parts in Proverbs that talked about the wicked and the righteous the wicked and the righteous and it was kind of scaring me a little bit because in a lot of the cases I felt like I was on the side of the wicked man a lot of times.
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So that's, the book of Proverbs drew me closer to God.
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Then, when I started praying and fasting, I started to actually hear from God and I started to actually change.
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I wasn't talking the same, no more things that I was in a consistent pattern of doing, like smoking, drinking, all of those type of things that was natural for me to do.
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I started feeling a conviction about it and, uh, I didn't want to be around the same people do the same things.
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So, like actually praying, building a relationship with God, is what kind of brought about change in me.
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So I've been walking with the Lord since the age of 19.
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I can't tell you that it's been a perfect.
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It's been it'd be like 21 years.
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It's been a lot of ups and downs throughout these 21 that it's been perfect.
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It's been it'd be like 21.
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Have such a deep love for God now because he helped you escape, at such a young age, from something that could have stolen your life.
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Yes.
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You received it.
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Well, rather than some people continue to buck him, they'll get more prideful and say I got this, I don't need anybody else.
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Look at all this money, look at all this I have.
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But you humbled yourself and realized this is not what I want, and I love that.
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You only took a Bible when you went on the run.
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It was like of all the things, just a Bible.
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You're like, I just need this.
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That's only God, so that's amazing.
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I used to sit up and just write my prayers down on a piece of paper.
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Sometimes it was actually a rough time, but it was actually one of my biggest blessings.
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So now give us a brief overview.
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If everyone wants to know the full story, they'll have to listen to your audio book.
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But give us a brief overview of how you met your wife.
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One day I was doing security at the church and I had seen her a couple of times before, but this time I seen her up close and I was kind of looking.
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I'm like that's a nice looking lady right there.
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But you know, of course I got to keep myself under control, you know, you know you know a man of God.
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So so I'm looking like man.
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That lady look nice, but I kind of left it alone because I kind of figured she got to have a man at home, a woman like that.
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Come on now.
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She got to have a man at home, but I think after that, because she had just started coming back to the church around the time I seen her.
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But then another time I came to a service, she was up there singing with the praise team.
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So that was the second sign.
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I'm like wow, that lady could really sing.
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And then the next time I ended up seeing her, we ended up in the same biblical counseling class together.
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She ran into me in the hallway.
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She let me know that she saw me do a song with one of the, a couple of the brothers and one of the sisters at the watch night service.
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She let me know she liked it and stuff like that.
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And next thing, I know, know, we end up in the hall we talking a little more after a while I look up like about 10 minutes it went by.
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So I'm like hold on like this type of conversation.
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We ended up getting each other's number because we were originally talking about doing a song together.
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But when we, of course, when we started talking, we didn't really talk about the song.
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We ended up doing stuff like talking until we was falling asleep on the phone and then, next thing you know, we started hanging out together.
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During that process, my father passed away and she was calling me every day making sure everything was okay.
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When she found out when the funeral was, uh, she started asking me like, so, like what colors you gonna wear?
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Where's the funeral?
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She met us, uh, to go with the funeral with us, and she was dressed in the same colors as me and my uncle.
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I introduced her to my uncle as my lady friend and my uncle was like nah, that's not your lady friend, that's your fiance.
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So, like, that's like the beginning part of us meeting.
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It was a beautiful and refreshing time for me.
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Yeah, and you talked about it in your book that you had some struggles, despite how beautiful your relationship was.
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As all couples do, we all have struggles, and what happened during COVID seems to have been the highest amount of struggles that you could have ever had.
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So give us an overview of how that happened.
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What happened in COVID leading up to the situation?
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Where were you and your wife before it actually happened, and then go ahead and tell our viewers and listeners what actually happened.
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Yeah, so we were after the honeymoon stage died down.
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That's the point where you start to like notice the flaws of each other and notice the not so beautiful things about each other.
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So we started noticing each other's flaws and we started having a lot of disagreements about different things and I can't speak for her, but I know I was not handling everything the right way.
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So we were having disagreements about finances.
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We were having disagreements about the blended family.
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We were having disagreements about finances.
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We were having disagreements about the blended family.
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We were having disagreements about a lot of things that a married couple should be on one accord about.
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When the pandemic hit, it just got worse because we were at home a lot more, with things being shut down and our jobs had us home more often, because I was only working half a day because they didn't want a lot of people there at the same time, and then her job had her working at home.
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So we used to be home a lot and you know it brought about a lot more friction between us, where it's like I know we love each other but we just having a hard time figuring out how to meet on a common ground.
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At that point, the arguing and the disagreements led to us kind of feeling repellent to one another.
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One day I just decided I'm going to separate for a while and I separated with the intentions of giving us space to work on our issues and resolve our issues.
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So I got a month to month lease because I'm like, okay, as soon as we can get on a common ground, then I could just jump right back, you know, but it was pretty rough.
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It was a pretty rough process because we did a lot more argument, because she was a little more upset with me, because she felt like I should have just stayed and stuck to it that way, through it that way.
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But I felt like I needed to step back and we went through a separation for about a year.
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But during the separation we started working on our marriage.
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We started back dating again.
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It's kind of like we hit the reset button.
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And we started back dating again and started back spending time again.
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And next thing, you know, she lets me know the surprise that she's pregnant.
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And I'm like oh, wow, really.
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So when I found out she was pregnant, that was even more motivation, like, ok, we was making more attempts to get our marriage more stronger and get closer, and right in the end of the third trimester that's when the COVID virus hit her.
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And of course, when the COVID virus hit her, I was thinking in my mind that, you know, she'll be all right, because I had it also during the time where it was like one of the worst strands and it kind of had me sick for like almost two weeks.
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So I was just looking at it like okay, she'll be okay.
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But then she got to a point where she was struggling to breathe and she asked me could I take her to the hospital?
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So I left work, took her to the hospital.
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I couldn't go back.
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You know it was a lot of restrictions during COVID, so I couldn't go with her.
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And that's when it hit me like whoa, this might be something serious.
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And when they called me and let me know that they would be delivering the baby through C-section, that's when I was like man, this is more serious than what I thought.
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And they delivered my daughter through C-section.
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I wasn't able to go around my daughter for two days.
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My wife was in medically induced coma, so I just was in a very, very dark space, because this is the point where things go wrong for a lot of people going and a lot of people that we went to church with friends and family.
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We lost a lot of people during the pandemic, so I just was dealing with a lot of anxiety during that time.
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Life just felt dark and, on top of that, like being told that I might not see my daughter for 10 days.
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That was like even more of like a knife to the chest, because it's like man, I've been waiting to meet this person ever since I found out about her.
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Now y'all trying to tell me that I'm not going to be able to see her for 10 days, but yeah, it must have been terrible yeah, it was.
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It was very dark, it was very dark.
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But one of the nurses was so, so cool that she took some pictures of her and, uh, text me, which she wasn't supposed to do.
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But I guess she had to hurt for me.
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I think after the two days they let up, they let me come and see my daughter and it's like I was happy to see my daughter, but at the same time I was like, wow, I'm visiting my daughter for the first time, but my wife is in medically induced coma fighting for her life.
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So it was like I'm happy to finally meet my daughter, but I wish my wife was here.
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Yeah, yeah, bittersweet I can see how that yeah.
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Yeah.
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So how did it go after your daughter was born, after you were finally able to take her home?
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Was your wife able to come home, or was there more?
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No, she was.
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She actually still was in a medically induced coma.
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But when they called and let me know that I could take my daughter home, so I visited my daughter earlier that day.
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But then after that I spent the whole day.
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I kind of stalled a little bit because I was just nervous Like I never took care of a child before.
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I don't know nothing about being a parent.
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So I kind of stalled a little bit.
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I did some running around to make sure I had everything at home but I just kind of like prayed about it, manned up and was like all right, I got to do this.
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I got to jump straight into this Went and picked her up, took her home immediately changing diapers, immediately the crying it was like culture shock, you know.
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Crash course for you.
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Yeah, but I'll never forget.
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I got a friend that has four daughters and one of the things that he told me is look, man, if you care, if you care that you will figure out everything just by caring.
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And that stuck with me.
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And so I was looking up different YouTube videos about different things.
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I was calling my sisters and calling other ladies in the family with questions.
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I was calling my sisters and calling other ladies in the family with questions and just I walked in it and was like my attitude about the whole thing was I can't leave my responsibility on anyone else.
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I got to figure this out, you know.
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And then my other mind state was like, you know, I just wanted my wife to, whenever or if ever she was to make it out the hospital.
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I just wanted her to be proud of me, like wow, you was able to handle everything.
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That was like my mind state with my daughter coming home.
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You are so thoughtful of other people.
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I noticed that in the whole listening to your audio book.
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You care, you genuinely care.
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You want to be a good person.
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I heard it just now.
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You wanted your wife to be proud of you and see that you were able to do this, that you took care of your daughter.
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You wanted to make your marriage work, so you did a month to month lease.
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You didn't do a year and then just say I'm out whatever you care, and I think that's amazing because there's not too many men out there who really put in the work to make things work when things are difficult, especially when you go through the trials that you're going through A new dad it's a scary thing to begin with, but a new dad and you're doing it on your own in the situation that you're doing it in so much difference, so much more stress added on to that.
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But you didn't give up.
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You strived to do better and your daughter is going to love that story when you're able to tell her when she gets older and she's going to want to find a man just like you who wants to fight for her, wants to fight for her mom, their marriage.
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You are setting a very high bar for whoever she ends up dating when she's older, so that is really good.
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You know I always tell people like being that I like I'm very familiar with my flaws as an individual.
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You know I always say, like the good that shines through me, that's like you know how the Bible talk about having this treasure inside of an earthen vessel.
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You know anything good that's seen about me like I know for a fact.
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That's all God, that's all the work of God, because naturally, naturally, I would have liked to have a way to escape my responsibilities and naturally, without God, I probably would have walked away from my marriage.
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But God, god, has renewed my mind in a lot of ways to keep me from following after what I would naturally do.
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So I always got to give him the praise and the glory for that, you know.
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Yeah, no, I completely understand.
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Yes, so how did things go with your wife when she came out of the coma?
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Did they get better?
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Did they get worse?
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I know the story because I listened to your book, but for those who don't know yet, go ahead and share.
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It got much more worse.
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It got much more worse when I first was allowed to see her.
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It was like close to a month without being able to see her at all due to COVID protocol.
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When I did finally get to see her, she wasn't able to move her arms, she wasn't able to walk or talk.
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So I was like whoa, I was not expecting that.
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I was thinking like, ok, maybe just because they just waking her up, maybe it's just going to take some time.
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But come to find out she's been disabled ever since.
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So that part was like something that was hard, very, very hard to adjust to Like, very, very hard her very, very hard to adjust to, like very, very hard.
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And um, we had a couple of scares with her as well, where where she had to have procedures done because because of blood clots and things like that.
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But but prior to me going to see her, the most scariest thing that happened was when they called me and told me that she colded one night and they told me she was down for eight minutes before they got her back revived.
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Come to find out it was actually 10 minutes, but they was explaining to me like hey, your wife might not be the same person that you know her, as when she finally wakes up or like that was, like that was like wow, like this is even more worse than what I thought.
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And then I had a bunch of anxiety because I was concerned about was she going to remember us, was she going to remember anything?
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And that was just scary.
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And then having to call her mother and explain that to her mother, like at 4 or something in the morning, like that was just a horrible time.
