Ministry Burnout: How Spiritual Leaders Can Protect Their Mind, Body, and Soul

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Your pastor is not superhuman.

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They have stresses.

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They have griefs of their own,

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not to mention the things that they help their congregations with.

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But who helps them when they are going through their struggles?

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What if your church isn't equipped to help your pastor through this burnout?

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Well,

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my guest today is Dr.

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Ioana Polpa,

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and she is a beautiful woman with an absolutely wonderful ministry.

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that started out of her own burnout.

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She learned how to work with her body,

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mind,

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and soul and get everything aligned and fully focused on Christ.

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This is going to be a very uplifting and encouraging message.

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And if you know anyone who is going through burnout,

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who is in some sort of ministry work,

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please have them listen to this episode.

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I'm Anna Murby.

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Hello,

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Ioana.

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How are you today?

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I'm doing great.

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How Ray,

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your owner.

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I'm very good.

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Thank you for coming on the podcast.

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I read on your Podmatch profile about what it is that you do,

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and I thought that it was a beautiful ministry that is definitely needed.

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There's a lot of believers out there,

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especially pastors and leaders in the church who are feeling really burnt out,

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feeling exhausted,

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all the work that they do there.

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They've got a lot on their plate.

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that's putting it lightly.

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And they need people to come alongside them to minister to them.

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I think sometimes we forget that they're humans as well.

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We put them on this high pedestal that they don't even want to be put on,

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but we put them on such a high pedestal and somehow think that they're superhuman,

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that they can handle the job that they're in.

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But they're human too,

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and they have needs,

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and they go through struggles,

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and they need...

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people to come alongside them.

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And I love that that's what you do.

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So before we actually talk about what it is that you do,

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why don't you share with us how you got into your ministry work?

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It has been a long and twisted journey.

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I started as a physician psychiatrist and I trained,

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I did my medical school in Romania and then my psychiatry residency here in the United States.

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And I worked in the trenches,

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you know,

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helping people with mental health.

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issues in all sorts of settings.

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And what I've discovered,

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there were some patterns.

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As a believer,

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I've noticed there were some patterns.

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Of course,

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as a psychiatrist,

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I could not impose my beliefs and talk about my faith way back then.

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It was not even cool to have a cross or whatever.

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But nonetheless,

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there was a sense of bringing God's presence.

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And what I was always struck by,

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the light that every person,

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every human being has inside.

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And people might use different languages in expressing their inner experiences,

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but the makeup in terms of the inner workings,

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the way the thoughts are working,

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the emotions and will and motivation and so on and so forth,

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they're very similar to how God created us.

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And out of that,

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though,

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my journey was initially working through,

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obviously,

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medical school,

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tending to the body,

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and then in a psychiatry residency and practice,

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tending to the mind and the emotions.

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And there was always something that was missing.

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And I wanted to bring more also the soul,

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the spirit into the conversations.

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In 2016,

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I was also trained as a life coach,

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life and leadership coach.

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And I was really drawn to study my faith as a Christian.

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I'm an Eastern Christian

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Orthodox. And my faith goes all the way back to Christ.

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It was interesting theological underpinnings.

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And I wanted to study that.

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So I did my master in theological studies.

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And I was so...

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touched by the convergence.

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God is truly everywhere if we think of things.

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And we can understand God's laws in this universe.

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The same way we understand physics and chemistry.

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We can understand how emotions are working in thoughts.

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And so I really worked through underlining and aligning for myself,

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you know,

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and what I'm doing,

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body,

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mind,

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heart,

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and soul.

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And lo and behold,

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I burn out because what I've noticed as a Christian,

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that's the kind of the ethos that you hear?

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you just pray.

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You just pray and God takes care of you and just move forward,

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give like Christ,

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right,

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God?

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It sounds as if Christ just kept constantly giving.

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So he did pause.

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We kind of missed that.

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And there's another Bible verse that I'll reference that we miss.

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But nonetheless,

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I burn out because just by giving and giving and,

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you know,

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the better one becomes,

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the more people are going to seek you out.

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You're going to have more projects to do,

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more people to care.

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And eventually we reach a capacity.

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We forget that we're imperfect.

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you know,

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I burn out not because of a lack of...

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skills or knowledge because I'm in the field,

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but because it comes really in a hidden way with no bells and whistles.

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So when I've noticed one time,

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okay,

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one time there's one thing,

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but this happened the second time.

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that was a really wake up call.

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It's really insidious.

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And I've really wanted to help others not to go in my footsteps.

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And when I needed help,

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I either found secular help or just virtual Christian help,

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but nothing.

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truly integrated to the degree that I knew,

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you know,

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including the medical knowledge,

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the psychological knowledge and whatever.

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So I like,

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okay,

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God,

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I'm going to start complaining.

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Just start helping others doing it.

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So that brought me to where I am today.

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Burnout is a serious thing.

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And I don't think people understand just how serious it can be in every aspect of our life.

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Like you said,

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you...

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could only find help that would help in one area,

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but it never was cohesive enough to be every aspect that you needed.

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And that is important.

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We need to be whole beings.

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We need to be healthy,

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whole beings.

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And you can't be that if you have no idea how to find that help.

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And that's where some people get sucked into things that aren't good for them because they're trying to find a way to fill those spaces that they're missing.

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It seems like your ministry has unlocked the secrets,

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I guess,

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to understanding how to do it from all angles so people don't have to strive for things that aren't healthy to take care of the burnout,

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the stress,

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anxieties that they're feeling.

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They can come to you and they can find that health,

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that whole health that they need.

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So what is it that Team for the Soul does?

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We started with my husband.

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He's a chaplain.

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We started Team for the Soul in 2019,

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and we wanted to really help

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Christians and clients in all sorts of ways.

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And in time,

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the Holy Spirit really narrowed down.

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Initially,

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we're helping everyone,

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and then God really is not that we don't love all people.

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I mean,

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both my husband and I,

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we're just in,

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we've been in secular worlds when you really get to love everyone,

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no matter their beliefs,

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no matter where they're coming from.

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But he just felt a call that

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Christians in particular are prone to burnout because they do try to follow Christ.

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And many times it feels like self-care is something very selfish.

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So many Christians actually avoid that.

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So we felt the call to really narrow down to Christians.

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So at Team for the Soul,

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we really help at this point Christian professionals and servant leaders.

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And we're trying to help them in several ways,

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which might seem different,

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but they all actually are very congruent.

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Most of to achieve the highest potential in Christ,

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it's very important to remove the blocks.

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Many of these blocks are tucked in into subconscious,

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into our past and our memory.

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We think,

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oh,

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we've dealt with that.

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Let me move on.

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And actually burnout is one of the things that can block us in ministry.

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And also grief,

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it's another thing that if we don't address it,

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it can also pull the brakes,

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so to speak,

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in our ministry.

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And both my husband and I,

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when we did a training on grief recovery method,

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we were mind blown because it's a very short training and actually experience for everyone who wants to move through grief.

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It only takes six to seven to eight sessions or eight sessions,

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depending on the situation and actually complete communications.

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So

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overall at Team for the Soul,

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I've tried to pull all the different psychological methodologies that can help in the fastest way so that Christian professionals can actually fulfill their vocation and do what they're called and keep giving and keep serving.

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And through that,

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I've developed a couple of methodologies.

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One of them is the Renewal in Action.

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how to regenerate body,

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mind,

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heart,

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and soul throughout the day.

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So we don't have to actually wait for the weekend or for...

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or any vacation because by that time it's too late.

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The other thing that I do,

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I do a lot of speaking.

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I lead retreats.

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I just came out of a retreat recently where I have an organization actually to focus on their mission,

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how to really think of their godly mission and how to implement it into goals.

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You know,

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otherwise it feels almost like we're business-like,

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but where is God into all this and how to use.

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also personality assessments to understand the team members and how to think of renewal together as an organization.

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I like to do all sorts of retreats and workshops and speak,

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but everything that we're doing,

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we're doing for God.

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I really consider Team for the Soul,

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it's God's business,

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not my business.

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And we're here to support in all different ways.

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Do you have a hard time

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helping people in the sense that do you still feel any burnout while you're helping other people with their burnout?

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Have you ever felt that way?

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Like it just got out of hand,

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maybe like in the beginning stages while you were trying to figure out how I'm going to do this.

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Did you ever feel like maybe you were getting burnout?

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Perhaps God just saying,

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you know,

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let's try to fix this.

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Maybe you needed help.

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Did you...

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feel any sort of stress,

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anxiety while you were putting this together?

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The burnout happened before.

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And I would say,

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I think your question has a few layers here.

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One,

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am I getting burnout as I'm listening to other people's burnout or suffering?

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And I would say I'm very blessed because in our training as a psychiatrist,

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we were taught how to not,

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how to allow that to be processed without taking it in.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I've always wondered that about psychologists,

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how do you not internalize everything that everyone's telling you?

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Okay.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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No,

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there's trainings.

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It depends on the training,

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but there's a big,

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important step around that.

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And we had preceptors and supervisors.

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I was meeting with people like three,

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four times a week.

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They really supported us to make sure we metabolize this and do not take it in.

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So for me as a Christian,

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I almost felt like a conduit.

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I'm not taking it and I'm giving it to God.

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So once you're trained,

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but the other piece,

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important piece to this is actually so essential for any Christian,

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especially in ministries,

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is when we do our inner work.

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This is where any pain that someone else has doesn't stick because there's a difference between empathy and compassion.

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Psychological research is showing that empathy means I'm feeling the other person's feelings,

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which can trigger my own past.

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Right.

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So then

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I am consumed not just because of the other person,

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but I'm consumed because of myself.

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So this is why many people do burnout,

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because they don't have their own inner workings resolved,

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so to speak.

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They haven't done work either in coaching or counseling or therapy.

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And then it resonates,

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it vibrates inside,

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and all these hurts are still as if they're happening.

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And that's what brings burnout.

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Once you do the inner work and you release your own rocks,

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so to speak,

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from the backpack,

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then you really can be compassionate.

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So that compassion doesn't,

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how do I say this,

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doesn't burden oneself.

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It's almost like different brain centers is something completely different and you can be with without being in.

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I mean,

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you're in and with,

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but not taking the burdens.

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You can really release them to God.

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So it's the key here is to do the inner work.

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And the other layer of a question you had was,

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has this happened while I was doing the program?

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I think it's happened before.

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And once I developed the methodology,

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actually what prompted me was COVID.

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I had some friends and we're all,

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you know,

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it was so amazing and striking,

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amazing in like.

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wow,

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what just happened?

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Some people were frontline and some people were stuck at home.

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My husband was frontline and all of a sudden I'm home.

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I'm loving it home.

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You know,

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being home was not fun for me.

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I didn't miss anything.

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It was all good.

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You know,

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I have,

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I have place to walk.

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I have trees around.

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So it wasn't traumatic for me,

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but I realized that that's not the case for most people and especially for frontline.

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So I felt the call by God.

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Really,

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I must have been in May 2020 to like,

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God,

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how do I help?

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I know I can help.

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And one friend really encouraged me,

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please,

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please,

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we need something.

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He was a physician on the front line with a burnout.

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So when I started,

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I started the Renewal in Action program in 20,

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by the end of 2020,

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2021.

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And then I've applied the principles for me.

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So now I don't burn out.

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I don't burn out for two things,

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reasons.

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One is that empathy that you mentioned or...

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picking up someone else's hurt,

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which I've explained.

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But the other reason I think ministry leaders are burning out because they just do too much.

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The better one becomes in ministry,

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the more you're going to be sought out,

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the more balls in the air you're going to have.

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And that's my reasons for burning out.

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So because I'm using the Reliant Action,

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which is this blueprint with flexible enough to adjust no matter the season,

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but it's also structured.

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Set it up in the first few weeks and then you train the subconscious and it happens automatically.

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So now if I get off the wagon,

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so to speak,

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from regenerating,

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I know quickly how and when to restart and how to do it because of this blueprint.

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So,

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you know,

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I feel,

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oh,

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I'm getting close,

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but I'm never get close because I'm implementing again.

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I'm fine tuning the renewal blueprint and then coming right back.

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So that's the.

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joy of using this blueprint and what I've noticed in my students and clients,

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it gives that resilience and is not another thing to do on the to-do list.

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Yes,

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initially when you set it up,

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but then once you got it down,

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it happens so quickly.

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You know what to shift to align between body,

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mind,

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heart,

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and soul,

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morning,

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midday,

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afternoon,

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and night.

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You are going to be so blessed.

446
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That's awesome.

447
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Our brains are very capable of doing so much more than we give it credit for.

448
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And I love that how you say you just you kind of train your brain just like you do with anything else.

449
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That's all it is,

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00:18:00.791 --> 00:18:03.283
is retraining what we've learned.

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I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who have learned unhealthy coping mechanisms when they're feeling burnout.

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And then,

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like you said,

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you have to sometimes you have to go back.

455
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and fix what happened in the younger years,

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the childhood years.

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You've got to figure that out because that can aid in why you have burnout,

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why you have grief,

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why you're dealing with things.

460
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And maybe you thought you fixed it because you're just not thinking about it as much.

461
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But somewhere in your brain,

462
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you're thinking about it because our brains are so much more capable than we give it credit for that we may not actually be thinking about it.

463
00:18:40.322 --> 00:18:42.072
But somewhere in the back of our minds,

464
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Maybe a situation that a pastor or a leader is dealing with triggers that.

465
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And they didn't think that it was going to do anything to them,

466
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but it is.

467
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And this is so important work that you were doing.

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And you mentioned COVID,

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which seems to have done a lot of good despite all the bad that happened.

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I have heard many positive stories that have come out during that time.

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And this is just another one.

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This is,

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you have such a heart.

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for helping and that you saw that there was a need and you wanted to fill it.

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And I believe God has helped you fill it in a beautiful way because there are so many churches that are hurting.

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There are so many pastors that are struggling right now.

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And they need help.

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They just,

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they need help.

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They may not think they do,

481
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but they do.

482
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They have a lot of things going on.

483
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They're counseling.

484
00:19:41.032 --> 00:19:42.657
They're preparing sermons.

485
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They have their families.

486
00:19:44.016 --> 00:19:46.891
They have spiritual warfare if they're preaching the truth.

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And Satan's not going to be happy with that.

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So they're getting bombarded from all different angles.

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And where's the help for them?

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unfortunate that there's a lot of churches out there that can't provide this kind of help.

491
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But it is a godsend that you are able to do that,

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that they have an avenue that they can go to.

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Yeah,

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amen to that.

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And glory to God.

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It is God.

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I totally believe that.

498
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And it starts with our intentions,

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intentions of our heart.

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And

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I am really touched by...

502
00:20:22.938 --> 00:20:24.099
by all Christians.

503
00:20:24.179 --> 00:20:24.380
Like,

504
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I don't want people to go through this.

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And mind you,

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as mentioned,

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I'm in the field.

508
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I'm in the field and it happened to me.

509
00:20:31.206 --> 00:20:32.409
How much more can happen?

510
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And listen,

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no one is going to post this on Facebook or Instagram.

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Oh yeah,

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I'm burned out,

514
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right?

515
00:20:37.253 --> 00:20:38.651
Everyone who's just the happy,

516
00:20:39.222 --> 00:20:41.316
all the happy fans are doing well,

517
00:20:41.394 --> 00:20:43.394
which makes us feel even more isolated.

518
00:20:43.472 --> 00:20:44.206
Oh my goodness,

519
00:20:44.207 --> 00:20:45.237
it's happening to me.

520
00:20:45.425 --> 00:20:46.909
That means I'm doing something wrong.

521
00:20:47.081 --> 00:20:49.222
Everyone else is happy and smiling.

522
00:20:49.458 --> 00:20:52.561
And one of the things that I've noticed with the Renewal in Action,

523
00:20:52.721 --> 00:20:54.424
some people are so busy,

524
00:20:54.924 --> 00:20:55.663
some Christians,

525
00:20:55.686 --> 00:21:00.772
that they don't even have time to put aside a few weeks to develop this renewal blueprint.

526
00:21:00.827 --> 00:21:02.171
And that became very clear.

527
00:21:02.172 --> 00:21:06.671
I work with a school and they did my program.

528
00:21:07.061 --> 00:21:08.124
And that was the feedback.

529
00:21:08.155 --> 00:21:08.483
I said,

530
00:21:08.936 --> 00:21:09.936
we want to do it.

531
00:21:10.077 --> 00:21:11.327
It's just impossible,

532
00:21:11.499 --> 00:21:11.780
you know,

533
00:21:11.936 --> 00:21:13.796
because there's so many demands.

534
00:21:14.108 --> 00:21:15.624
And by the time they are done,

535
00:21:15.952 --> 00:21:17.842
the only thing they want is just to sleep.

536
00:21:17.889 --> 00:21:18.952
And even that is not.

537
00:21:19.174 --> 00:21:20.796
fully a full night's sleep.

538
00:21:21.296 --> 00:21:30.325
So this happened last year and I realized that what they really need is just a daily inspiration that can bring them back to Christ.

539
00:21:30.583 --> 00:21:31.887
Not just at the mind level,

540
00:21:31.927 --> 00:21:35.833
because most of the times when we think of prayers or we read the scripture,

541
00:21:35.834 --> 00:21:38.192
we actually invite the mind.

542
00:21:38.239 --> 00:21:39.833
So the mind gets over busy,

543
00:21:40.255 --> 00:21:44.052
but the mind itself is not the awareness.

544
00:21:44.114 --> 00:21:45.645
We have beyond our thoughts,

545
00:21:45.723 --> 00:21:46.989
beyond our emotions.

546
00:21:47.750 --> 00:21:48.671
have awareness,

547
00:21:48.751 --> 00:21:54.437
which actually is a space in between where naturally we can rest in God.

548
00:21:54.835 --> 00:21:58.538
When the living waters are coming and overflowing,

549
00:21:58.601 --> 00:22:01.202
that peace that surpasses all understanding is there,

550
00:22:01.483 --> 00:22:02.546
is not in the mind.

551
00:22:02.562 --> 00:22:05.335
The mind is too busy and it needs to relax.

552
00:22:05.413 --> 00:22:07.163
So we're overusing our mind.

553
00:22:07.757 --> 00:22:12.460
And one other thing that it's so essential is that we also pause in silence.

554
00:22:12.710 --> 00:22:13.882
So if listening

555
00:22:14.190 --> 00:22:19.255
Get into the practice of staying in silence and trying to encounter God in that space,

556
00:22:19.356 --> 00:22:20.458
not just with your minds,

557
00:22:20.555 --> 00:22:21.719
not just with words,

558
00:22:21.758 --> 00:22:22.680
which are wonderful,

559
00:22:22.899 --> 00:22:24.758
but to really connect.

560
00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:25.383
Connect,

561
00:22:25.399 --> 00:22:25.844
of course,

562
00:22:25.860 --> 00:22:27.102
with your emotions as well.

563
00:22:27.266 --> 00:22:28.665
So based on that feedback,

564
00:22:28.821 --> 00:22:30.048
I actually developed a program.

565
00:22:30.063 --> 00:22:31.251
It's called Wake Up to Your Soul,

566
00:22:31.641 --> 00:22:36.407
where I have daily inspirations with a bit of science and psychology,

567
00:22:36.532 --> 00:22:37.313
Bible verse,

568
00:22:37.314 --> 00:22:38.391
a contemplative practice,

569
00:22:38.392 --> 00:22:40.329
and a journaling prompt all in 10 minutes.

570
00:22:40.610 --> 00:22:41.391
And every day,

571
00:22:41.469 --> 00:22:43.157
every day of the week has a theme.

572
00:22:43.354 --> 00:22:52.778
So we move through that so we can start with intention and we rewire our mind in terms of our mindsets and take care of our emotions and our body and relationships.

573
00:22:53.833 --> 00:22:55.294
And I found that that is,

574
00:22:55.396 --> 00:22:56.075
for some people,

575
00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:59.310
that is what they need and they only have time for.

576
00:22:59.575 --> 00:23:00.997
Just 10 minutes in the morning.

577
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.138
I cannot do anything more because just go downhill.

578
00:23:04.482 --> 00:23:08.060
And even if you don't have time to enroll in the program,

579
00:23:08.466 --> 00:23:10.294
just spend some time in silence.

580
00:23:10.575 --> 00:23:11.341
Think about that.

581
00:23:11.653 --> 00:23:13.060
So the questions they ask.

582
00:23:13.282 --> 00:23:13.702
Obviously,

583
00:23:14.162 --> 00:23:16.082
for your regeneration mind,

584
00:23:16.403 --> 00:23:18.565
think about prayer and scripture,

585
00:23:18.784 --> 00:23:20.565
conversing with God with words.

586
00:23:20.885 --> 00:23:22.245
Think about emotions.

587
00:23:22.346 --> 00:23:23.463
How is my heart doing?

588
00:23:23.862 --> 00:23:24.807
What are my emotions?

589
00:23:24.846 --> 00:23:25.948
Can I connect with God?

590
00:23:26.307 --> 00:23:27.604
Think of your body.

591
00:23:27.729 --> 00:23:28.104
Obviously,

592
00:23:28.127 --> 00:23:28.823
your body needs.

593
00:23:28.862 --> 00:23:30.291
We many times think about that,

594
00:23:30.338 --> 00:23:33.479
but also spiritual connection in that silence.

595
00:23:33.588 --> 00:23:34.745
Spend a few minutes.

596
00:23:35.026 --> 00:23:36.713
Put a timer to stay in silence.

597
00:23:36.729 --> 00:23:38.401
It can do wonders in time.

598
00:23:38.432 --> 00:23:38.604
You know,

599
00:23:38.713 --> 00:23:39.854
small steps every day.

600
00:23:40.151 --> 00:23:40.260
Yeah,

601
00:23:40.713 --> 00:23:41.541
these are important.

602
00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:42.211
things.

603
00:23:42.551 --> 00:23:45.673
And you mentioned silence,

604
00:23:45.814 --> 00:23:49.661
which is so difficult to do for anybody.

605
00:23:50.739 --> 00:23:53.364
And it is very important,

606
00:23:53.458 --> 00:23:53.724
though.

607
00:23:54.239 --> 00:24:00.068
And I think we need to try harder to make time for silence.

608
00:24:00.786 --> 00:24:01.443
I know I do.

609
00:24:02.864 --> 00:24:04.708
It is not easy,

610
00:24:04.974 --> 00:24:06.614
but it is a necessity.

611
00:24:06.693 --> 00:24:07.161
Like you said,

612
00:24:07.208 --> 00:24:08.849
we're overworking our brains.

613
00:24:10.326 --> 00:24:13.690
We need to relax them now and then.

614
00:24:14.791 --> 00:24:17.155
They're not going to be as healthy as they will be.

615
00:24:17.534 --> 00:24:18.174
If you don't,

616
00:24:18.217 --> 00:24:19.639
it would be the same as a car.

617
00:24:19.678 --> 00:24:21.100
If you never put oil in it,

618
00:24:21.194 --> 00:24:23.077
eventually it's going to stop working.

619
00:24:23.436 --> 00:24:25.381
And that's what we have to do.

620
00:24:26.060 --> 00:24:26.681
Yeah.

621
00:24:26.682 --> 00:24:29.844
I'm curious when you said that it's hard to do and stay in silence.

622
00:24:29.883 --> 00:24:32.648
What has been your experience or other people that you encounter?

623
00:24:32.727 --> 00:24:35.633
Like what makes it so hard to sit in silence?

624
00:24:35.812 --> 00:24:36.008
Well,

625
00:24:36.352 --> 00:24:37.930
as a mom of five,

626
00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:42.562
my brain's constantly moving around thinking of my children,

627
00:24:42.594 --> 00:24:43.516
the things I got to do,

628
00:24:43.703 --> 00:24:44.922
the things I'm not doing,

629
00:24:44.923 --> 00:24:54.250
the things I could have done better and just focused on things that probably don't need as much attention at that moment.

630
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.262
I don't know if it's just my personality,

631
00:24:57.422 --> 00:25:00.786
but some things I just can't stop thinking about.

632
00:25:00.926 --> 00:25:02.168
And sometimes,

633
00:25:02.247 --> 00:25:03.051
not always,

634
00:25:03.129 --> 00:25:04.067
but every once in a while,

635
00:25:04.247 --> 00:25:06.809
I'll be awake at night thinking of things.

636
00:25:07.489 --> 00:25:12.176
And then I'll have to leave myself a note so that I can finally go to bed.

637
00:25:12.364 --> 00:25:12.957
But I just,

638
00:25:13.864 --> 00:25:15.223
it doesn't happen all the time,

639
00:25:15.224 --> 00:25:16.161
but every once in a while,

640
00:25:16.286 --> 00:25:17.364
it'll happen at night.

641
00:25:17.661 --> 00:25:18.582
And yes,

642
00:25:19.145 --> 00:25:20.020
sometimes,

643
00:25:20.098 --> 00:25:20.989
especially moms,

644
00:25:21.004 --> 00:25:24.395
I think we're focused too much on things that.

645
00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:26.502
I guess we think are necessary,

646
00:25:26.782 --> 00:25:29.323
but if you actually took a step back,

647
00:25:29.464 --> 00:25:31.085
maybe were silent about it,

648
00:25:31.468 --> 00:25:35.534
would it really be something that needs to be thought of at that moment?

649
00:25:35.831 --> 00:25:36.612
Probably not.

650
00:25:38.675 --> 00:25:38.893
Yeah.

651
00:25:39.175 --> 00:25:40.018
Thank you for that.

652
00:25:40.479 --> 00:25:40.651
Yeah.

653
00:25:40.979 --> 00:25:42.261
It makes sense to me,

654
00:25:42.479 --> 00:25:43.198
the thinking,

655
00:25:43.323 --> 00:25:43.604
right?

656
00:25:43.682 --> 00:25:48.839
And what are people that are dear to us and we want to do the best for them.

657
00:25:48.964 --> 00:25:49.979
And yeah,

658
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.307
it makes a lot of sense.

659
00:25:52.896 --> 00:25:54.497
So when you do these retreats,

660
00:25:54.577 --> 00:25:55.638
where do you do them?

661
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.661
And are they usually like a weekend type of retreat,

662
00:25:59.685 --> 00:26:00.982
a week retreat?

663
00:26:01.888 --> 00:26:02.646
How do you do them?

664
00:26:02.927 --> 00:26:03.927
I'm usually invited.

665
00:26:03.989 --> 00:26:07.489
So I go to whatever it is,

666
00:26:07.490 --> 00:26:14.638
the parish or the organization that is wanted to organize that.

667
00:26:14.716 --> 00:26:16.216
Sometimes it's in a retreat center,

668
00:26:16.357 --> 00:26:20.060
sometimes it's in a church or whatever other settings.

669
00:26:20.348 --> 00:26:23.692
I would say usually weekends are working for people.

670
00:26:23.731 --> 00:26:24.853
I've noticed Saturdays,

671
00:26:24.872 --> 00:26:29.677
sometimes Fridays are a good day for retreats.

672
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:31.317
And I usually do them for one day.

673
00:26:31.841 --> 00:26:32.442
Definitely,

674
00:26:32.583 --> 00:26:33.778
I could do them for longer,

675
00:26:33.864 --> 00:26:36.942
but I've noticed the bandwidth usually is for about a day.

676
00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:38.192
Yeah.

677
00:26:38.208 --> 00:26:38.599
Okay,

678
00:26:38.600 --> 00:26:39.130
we're done.

679
00:26:39.692 --> 00:26:39.911
Yep,

680
00:26:40.192 --> 00:26:40.302
yep.

681
00:26:40.364 --> 00:26:41.255
That makes sense.

682
00:26:41.256 --> 00:26:43.052
We do three or four sessions in a day,

683
00:26:43.083 --> 00:26:45.239
and that feels full.

684
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.333
Yeah.

685
00:26:46.349 --> 00:26:46.677
Okay.

686
00:26:46.678 --> 00:26:48.474
But I've done retreats.

687
00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:52.043
in sequence for in the same place,

688
00:26:52.044 --> 00:26:52.303
you know,

689
00:26:52.764 --> 00:26:55.526
we do some series and that's also possible.

690
00:26:55.565 --> 00:26:55.686
Yeah.

691
00:26:55.908 --> 00:26:56.147
Okay.

692
00:26:56.705 --> 00:26:58.330
What is your podcast about?

693
00:26:58.572 --> 00:26:58.987
Yes.

694
00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:00.854
Thriving in Christ show.

695
00:27:00.947 --> 00:27:02.494
It's on YouTube and podcast.

696
00:27:02.815 --> 00:27:03.393
So I,

697
00:27:03.713 --> 00:27:07.072
it's for Christian women professionals and servant leaders.

698
00:27:07.651 --> 00:27:08.604
And I help,

699
00:27:08.713 --> 00:27:13.791
the idea is how to develop holistic habits.

700
00:27:14.468 --> 00:27:16.729
that will propel us in the future,

701
00:27:16.788 --> 00:27:19.251
how to regenerate on the go about alignment,

702
00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:19.571
body,

703
00:27:19.669 --> 00:27:19.868
mind,

704
00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:20.130
heart,

705
00:27:20.169 --> 00:27:20.731
and soul.

706
00:27:20.891 --> 00:27:26.411
And I have now an episode where I invite someone for renewal conversations.

707
00:27:26.528 --> 00:27:42.075
Usually it might be someone that is in a ministry and wants to give or maybe talk about their regeneration or someone who is in a professional field and can bring some tips around renewal and

708
00:27:42.456 --> 00:27:44.078
care in a Christian way.

709
00:27:44.738 --> 00:27:46.881
And I also do a lot of teaching there.

710
00:27:46.978 --> 00:27:49.404
So I talk about regeneration,

711
00:27:49.682 --> 00:27:50.162
as I said,

712
00:27:50.783 --> 00:27:51.002
body,

713
00:27:51.088 --> 00:27:51.268
mind,

714
00:27:51.283 --> 00:27:51.447
heart,

715
00:27:51.448 --> 00:27:52.549
and soul habits.

716
00:27:52.564 --> 00:27:53.768
I have different series.

717
00:27:53.830 --> 00:27:57.447
Right now I'm in the middle of a series on internal family systems,

718
00:27:57.752 --> 00:27:59.353
bringing that in Christianity.

719
00:27:59.557 --> 00:28:01.228
So different topics,

720
00:28:01.541 --> 00:28:02.822
how to regenerate on the go.

721
00:28:03.916 --> 00:28:05.478
I have a series for...

722
00:28:06.068 --> 00:28:07.409
Christian professionals.

723
00:28:07.410 --> 00:28:09.051
So all sorts of combinations,

724
00:28:09.132 --> 00:28:11.915
but the idea is to serve the Christian women professionals,

725
00:28:11.934 --> 00:28:12.473
servant leaders.

726
00:28:12.536 --> 00:28:14.536
Although there are men who told me,

727
00:28:14.537 --> 00:28:14.653
oh,

728
00:28:14.654 --> 00:28:16.419
I'm listening to your podcast.

729
00:28:16.762 --> 00:28:20.661
It's not necessarily excluded,

730
00:28:20.739 --> 00:28:21.301
obviously,

731
00:28:22.091 --> 00:28:25.731
but it's all around these topics of how do we regenerate?

732
00:28:25.747 --> 00:28:26.684
How do we stay aligned,

733
00:28:26.731 --> 00:28:26.966
body,

734
00:28:27.044 --> 00:28:27.231
mind,

735
00:28:27.262 --> 00:28:27.450
heart,

736
00:28:27.466 --> 00:28:27.934
and soul?

737
00:28:28.075 --> 00:28:28.544
How do we...

738
00:28:29.812 --> 00:28:31.794
really achieve our highest potential?

739
00:28:31.854 --> 00:28:33.216
How do we understand our mind,

740
00:28:33.235 --> 00:28:33.698
our thoughts,

741
00:28:33.717 --> 00:28:34.417
our emotions?

742
00:28:34.456 --> 00:28:44.206
And I like to bridge science psychology with our Christian faith and good practices that people can take away and try as they go about their day.

743
00:28:44.550 --> 00:28:51.753
So it would be like a trial run of what you do with your ministry work,

744
00:28:51.768 --> 00:28:52.268
I guess,

745
00:28:52.409 --> 00:28:57.596
like to give an example of what you would do if they were a client of yours,

746
00:28:57.597 --> 00:28:58.065
I guess.

747
00:28:59.090 --> 00:28:59.711
Yes and no,

748
00:28:59.991 --> 00:29:00.871
in a certain sense.

749
00:29:00.893 --> 00:29:02.854
I talk about my programs there as well.

750
00:29:04.194 --> 00:29:04.897
That in itself,

751
00:29:04.955 --> 00:29:05.737
it's a ministry,

752
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:07.702
the YouTube and the podcast.

753
00:29:07.842 --> 00:29:12.663
So trying to bring practical tips for how to regenerate,

754
00:29:12.725 --> 00:29:13.163
how to stay.

755
00:29:13.202 --> 00:29:13.444
Yes,

756
00:29:13.506 --> 00:29:14.569
it is in a certain sense,

757
00:29:14.570 --> 00:29:15.803
a little bit of a sample.

758
00:29:16.506 --> 00:29:17.006
Of course,

759
00:29:17.209 --> 00:29:19.694
I go much more deeper in a different way,

760
00:29:19.756 --> 00:29:22.553
but also to answer questions that people might have.

761
00:29:22.850 --> 00:29:23.475
Yeah.

762
00:29:23.834 --> 00:29:23.959
No,

763
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:24.897
I was just thinking,

764
00:29:24.975 --> 00:29:27.803
because if someone wanted to.

765
00:29:28.462 --> 00:29:32.145
like a pastor or someone wanted to get an idea of what it is that you do,

766
00:29:33.067 --> 00:29:39.336
maybe listening to the podcast might give them a slight idea of this is what you can expect.

767
00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:41.438
That's pretty much where I was going with that,

768
00:29:41.531 --> 00:29:43.414
wondering if that's how it would be.

769
00:29:43.719 --> 00:29:44.453
Absolutely.

770
00:29:44.641 --> 00:29:45.266
Absolutely.

771
00:29:45.797 --> 00:29:46.016
Yes.

772
00:29:46.063 --> 00:29:46.656
You'll get me.

773
00:29:47.047 --> 00:29:48.344
And especially some people say,

774
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:48.484
no,

775
00:29:48.563 --> 00:29:51.609
I love to see you on YouTube because they get to see me,

776
00:29:51.688 --> 00:29:53.953
they get to see my personality.

777
00:29:54.094 --> 00:29:55.094
Absolutely.

778
00:29:55.790 --> 00:29:56.971
And the podcast as well.

779
00:29:57.031 --> 00:30:01.255
It's on Spotify and Apple and many other places that I don't even know.

780
00:30:03.877 --> 00:30:04.759
That's awesome.

781
00:30:05.103 --> 00:30:05.338
Well,

782
00:30:06.002 --> 00:30:09.025
this has been a very encouraging conversation.

783
00:30:09.345 --> 00:30:09.502
And

784
00:30:11.408 --> 00:30:12.259
I love what you do.

785
00:30:12.588 --> 00:30:13.884
I think it's beautiful.

786
00:30:14.947 --> 00:30:16.369
It's heartfelt.

787
00:30:16.494 --> 00:30:18.338
It's definitely necessary.

788
00:30:19.838 --> 00:30:22.463
And I know there's people listening who...

789
00:30:23.198 --> 00:30:25.460
could benefit from listening to your podcast,

790
00:30:25.800 --> 00:30:28.142
whether they're a professional or not.

791
00:30:28.243 --> 00:30:30.665
I'm sure there's something there that God has for them.

792
00:30:31.044 --> 00:30:36.490
But if they want to get involved and become one of your students,

793
00:30:36.615 --> 00:30:40.060
they want to learn these skills,

794
00:30:40.216 --> 00:30:42.419
where would they go to get that information?

795
00:30:42.622 --> 00:30:43.435
Great question.

796
00:30:43.482 --> 00:30:46.966
So teamforthesoul.com is our website.

797
00:30:47.388 --> 00:30:48.607
And on the website,

798
00:30:48.608 --> 00:30:50.872
you can see some of the programs that we offer.

799
00:30:51.174 --> 00:30:54.035
You can sign up for the Wake Up to Your Soul on the spot.

800
00:30:54.036 --> 00:31:00.158
You can try it for a week for a few dollars to see if that is something that you would like and you can continue.

801
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.494
And for the Renewal in Action,

802
00:31:02.557 --> 00:31:04.260
there is a wait list right now.

803
00:31:04.940 --> 00:31:06.377
And you can sign up for that.

804
00:31:06.494 --> 00:31:09.362
There is a place to set up an inquiry call,

805
00:31:09.455 --> 00:31:11.612
like if you want to learn more about what I do.

806
00:31:11.783 --> 00:31:13.940
I do also one-to-one coaching.

807
00:31:13.987 --> 00:31:15.455
I do executive coaching.

808
00:31:16.143 --> 00:31:17.158
So there's...

809
00:31:19.138 --> 00:31:20.240
I'm also on social media,

810
00:31:20.241 --> 00:31:20.861
on LinkedIn,

811
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:21.681
Facebook,

812
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.361
and Instagram,

813
00:31:22.402 --> 00:31:23.103
but the website,

814
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teamforthesoul.com.

815
00:31:24.384 --> 00:31:24.763
All right.

816
00:31:24.963 --> 00:31:26.045
Sounds wonderful.

817
00:31:26.427 --> 00:31:29.131
Thank you again so much for coming on,

818
00:31:29.427 --> 00:31:35.631
for doing this work and being obedient to the call that God has for your life.

819
00:31:36.693 --> 00:31:38.834
And everyone who's listening,

820
00:31:39.099 --> 00:31:42.068
if you feel this is necessary for your pastor,

821
00:31:42.537 --> 00:31:45.818
maybe you are a pastor listening and you feel like you could use this.

822
00:31:46.162 --> 00:31:47.052
Maybe you're...

823
00:31:47.158 --> 00:31:49.840
just someone who's serving in the church somehow,

824
00:31:50.041 --> 00:31:51.461
serving in some capacity,

825
00:31:51.523 --> 00:31:53.586
and you feel you need this kind of help,

826
00:31:53.906 --> 00:31:54.406
reach out.

827
00:31:54.746 --> 00:31:55.805
You aren't alone.

828
00:31:55.984 --> 00:32:00.992
There's no reason for you to feel alone and feel ashamed about this.

829
00:32:01.211 --> 00:32:03.016
We all get burnt out.

830
00:32:03.531 --> 00:32:04.250
I'm a mom.

831
00:32:04.672 --> 00:32:05.531
I get burnt out.

832
00:32:05.844 --> 00:32:08.062
Everyone gets burnt out at some point.

833
00:32:08.297 --> 00:32:09.547
We aren't superhuman.

834
00:32:09.922 --> 00:32:16.469
So get the help you need so that you can be the best version of yourself that God has created you to be.

835
00:32:16.718 --> 00:32:18.600
Thank you again for coming on.

836
00:32:18.821 --> 00:32:19.701
Thank you so much,

837
00:32:19.782 --> 00:32:19.981
Anna.

838
00:32:20.102 --> 00:32:21.424
And thank you as a listener,

839
00:32:21.502 --> 00:32:22.686
sending you many blessings,

840
00:32:22.764 --> 00:32:23.584
many prayers.

841
00:32:24.006 --> 00:32:25.826
Know indeed you are not alone.

842
00:32:26.326 --> 00:32:31.553
And do seek help and seek guidance from God first and foremost.

843
00:32:32.131 --> 00:32:32.850
God is with you.

844
00:32:32.928 --> 00:32:33.740
God loves you.

845
00:32:34.428 --> 00:32:36.412
And in time,

846
00:32:36.475 --> 00:32:39.428
things will unfold for the best.

847
00:32:39.522 --> 00:32:40.662
So God bless you.

848
00:32:41.303 --> 00:32:41.444
Yep.

849
00:32:41.787 --> 00:32:42.084
Amen.

850
00:32:42.787 --> 00:32:43.303
Amen.

851
00:32:45.787 --> 00:32:46.194
Friends.

852
00:32:46.474 --> 00:32:47.815
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853
00:32:48.155 --> 00:32:49.378
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854
00:32:49.757 --> 00:32:52.280
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855
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856
00:32:53.421 --> 00:32:54.304
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857
00:32:54.362 --> 00:32:56.304
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858
00:32:56.726 --> 00:32:59.366
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859
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860
00:33:03.999 --> 00:33:06.999
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861
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862
00:33:08.858 --> 00:33:10.765
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863
00:33:10.999 --> 00:33:12.827
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864
00:33:13.155 --> 00:33:15.046
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